Segregated Buses?!
The latest furor in Israel is about demands by "Haredim"(falsely identified as "ültra Orthodox"). What they now want is buses segregated by sex. i.e. women to the back of the bus. So I did this cartoon suggesting that they wear blindfolds. Funny, no? "No" says the LSW (Long Suffering Wife). She says it's been done. She says that some Haredi men have been spotted wearing veils!! I pooh-poohed the notion, but did a google image search, just to check. Turns out she was right.
Men in Veils?
Labels: buses, eged, Haredim, Israel, plan, religious, Shuldig
34 Comments:
No fair! That photo was taken in Vail, CO!!
Freud would have a picnic with this photo. Those guys look as if they have their heads up some woman's dress or skirt.
why dont they use one side for men and the other one for women
Why not send these morons to Saudi Arabia? Their ideas will merge well with the residents there...in fact it seems they might be able to teach the Saudis a thing or two about living in the 7th century.
These 'super' Jews are freaks that make the rest of us look bad. They dress like 13th century Polish nobles and think that that is HS way. They are just making targets of themselves (and us) by their dress. They have such perverted notions of sex and sexuality that the veil and bus things make sense to them. I am with you about the blindfols,for if the issue if women then even the Arab women on the streets are a threat to their 'evil' urge.
I shouln't get started on this for I find that I rant.
BS"D You are a scoffer - and you belittle Judaism and Torah. You do a disservice, to be sure. It isn't just the men who want separate seating - the women, as well. Those of us who follow halacha you should be learning from - not cursing or laughing at. You can see in the other comments how uneducated, misinformed, and disconnected some Jews have become...and some of them never had a chance, coming from homes where their connection to Judaism has been reduced to a secular State, G-d forbid. This is a disgusting cartoon you have shared. It is not clever. It is only showing ignorance - and serving to further incite Jews against each other, chas v'shalom. Those like you, at this point in time, are worse than those Arab rabid dogs - because you would destroy your own kind. It appears that the only light you have opened yourself to on Channukah is that of an open AM/PM.
Sarah Leah,
Please teach me where in your scripture it is unlawful for a man to look at a woman but ok for him to threaten her? I am a Christian from the southern USA, not far from Montgomery, Alabama.
I read much in my Bible about self-control, but not so much about segregated busses. I read in my history book about the South's mistreatment of folks with lots of Melanin. That was a sorry way to treat people.
Please tell me if I am incorrect: Haredim is a Hebrew term referring to Ultra-Orthodox Jews' fear of God. What is the word for "fear of men" who assault women? I won't write here what words come to my mind about men who inflict such fear...
Methinks that if these men can't control their own urges, they need to do some more praying and listening. And maybe they need to walk in a cold rain shower instead of riding the bus?
On the forth day of Channukah my true love gave to me a pass on a segregated taxi.
I am a Jew. I was born a Jew and will die a Jew but I'll be dipped in honey and spread out on a fire ant bad before I'd put up with those apparently over sexed men who cannot control their sexual urges.
I don't know how things are in Israel because I can't afford to go there but our black brethren in the bad old Southern United States were forced to sit in the back of the bus.
I wonder if a man gets on a bus that is filled with women, are the women forced to get up to give the man her seat?
There's nothing in Tenach that I can find that forces men and women apart. Talmud? Maybe.
I'm a cripple and must use a powered wheelchair because of spinal stenosis. I don't even know whether or not Israeli public transportation is handicapped accessible or not, but those 7th century nuts who dress in a manner they think was acceptable to G-d back then are nothing more than, IMHO, hypocrites.
They want people to notice how "humble" and pious they are, yet they don't want to serve in the armed forces? We have them here in the US as well.
Muslim women get bent out of shape when people poke fun at them for wearing strange clothing. Dang it, they're in America, dress like it or better yet, go back where you came from. There is nothing in the Koran that makes them hide their faces unless they're ugly as sin .
I use electricity on Shabbat and on all holidays. I've been told that it comes from not kindling a fire. GIVE ME A BREAK! Starting a fire used to take actual work. Now turning on a light just entails flipping on a switch. OH, but it causes a spark thousands of miles away at a generator. Uh huh, my doctorate in computer science tells me that dampers n longer cause sparks, but the nuts who wear wool in the middle of the summer will always figure a way to make not turning on a light against their made up laws.
My power chair is certified for use in an explosive area yet I've been turned away from shuls on Shabbat because I would have to go through unbearable agony to leave my chair and attempt to walk into shul. Pffft! No way am I about to do that.
This is almost the year 2012 CE. It is beyond time that those overly excited men put on blinders or perhaps just move to an area where there are no women.
What more can I say except feh!
I'm sorry if this comment seems ignorant but
* if some men want segregated buses, let them buy them and ride them.
* let them walk or ride a bicycle
* let them purchase seeing-eye dogs
* let them move to India or China where so much "gendercide" has happened that there are whole villages filled with men-only.
* let them make sure not to go up on top of their roofs at night and look down over the city-- and if they see anyone bathing, not to go knock on her door.
Honestly, did any of the heroes in the Bible wear such a garment? No.
Truthfully, it looks a little like a Star Wars costume.
May G-d give them clean hearts and women more modesty.
Reminds me of a joke about a wedding "blessing" where bishops in a dark room place there hands all over the womans body to Bless them. "I can't See you but I sure can Feel you"
Who the hell believes in assulting women? That is against JEwish law, andf always has been. If there are thugs out there, they don't represent anyone. You guys should be ashamed of themselves for believing lies.
This is all a false issue. There have been a few separate buses for quite a while. There is a demand for them, and if they get rid of them, there wil be no way to get back from a wedding in Jerusalem at night, because nothing else runs then. Originally they were to be private, but they madea deal with the bus oc-ooperative.
Most Chareidim I know, myself included, do not have a problem with mixed buses. We also dress in suits, not coats. I often take the separate bus for convenience, and I ususally sit in the middle with my wife. And for the record, she is African-American, and they don't bother her. She see the difference between sex and race.
This is a false issue, ginned up by the press to cover up the fact the some soldiers in the army were denied religious freedom.
B"H - I see Mr. Shuldig took off his Chanukah kipah rather quick and went into the Haredi bashing business. Pity. Next you will attack gender separated education in yeshivot?
Mr. Shuldig was not wearing a kippah. He was growing hair back.
Both the women and the men want to sit separately. I have no problem with this when I am in Israel. Why is this everyone's problem???
AMERICAN FEMALE
Yes, why is there gender separtism in the school, yeshevot? It doesn' make any sense to divide.
I think the cartoon is GREAT!!
This is a better solution (than the 'curtain', needless to say, the single person option: http://www.likecool.com/Privacy_Shell_designed_by_Veasyble--Design--Gear.html
Chag sameach
THis reminds me of the couple of times the Tallmud records 7 types of Pharisees of the 1st century. One type (not one praised by the Talmud) wsa the "bloody nose type", who would turn their face into a wall and bloody their nose to not look at a woman. Do these Breslovers know their Talmud?
It is rather unfortunate that you chose to bash chareidim on this issue. Since both chareidi men and women are happy with the separate seating arrangement on buses it should not be anyone's business to criticize, especially not the ignorant self-hating Jews that have posted here.
Separate buses are not because men cannot control themselves and it is not a matter of wearing a veil or not seeing women. We live a life that is generally gender-segregated outside of our immediate families just as our [religious] forefathers always did.
I understand that you were trying to make a joke about an issue currently in the news, but this type of joke just brings out those who hate Hashem and his Torah.
To the haters among us, I say I don't insult you for your lack of holiness and ethics so please do not insult others.
Don't knock the chareidi lifestyle until you've tried it. I am American chariedi from birth and I wouldn't want to live any other lifestyle. I raised my children in segregated schools, my grandkids are in segregated schools. We focus on what is important in life. If you are not part of it, you cannot hope to understand. But to make a mockery of what you don't understand is not right. I see the unaffiliated Jewish youth on campuses and they are a sad lot, don't know who they are. Thank goodness for Hillel on campuses.
Religious and loving it!!
I love the veil idea!! Solves so many problems.
And if only "they" would live and let live; us modern orthodox, who have a love of G-d and his Torah, but actually work in the secular world, would do the same.
FKT
Well, there once was a time that the most intelligent men in the Jewish community became Rabbis. In modern times they mostly become professors or business people. One can easily believe that haredi of modern times mostly represent those in the Jewish community given to easy solutions and slogans rather than the critical thinkers. I wonder if the two veiled fellows would be capable of reading a book on Calculus for even an hour.
PERFECT CARTOON, MORE MORE!!!
PERFECT CARTOON, MORE MORE!!!!
I thought women have been wanting their men to wear blinders since before history began.
Why do you all feel so threatened by the chareidi, they are not trying to convert you. Just let them be. If not for the chareidi there would be a lot fewer Jews on the the planet. People quote an opinion, it gets perpetuated and then the people don't search for the truth. You would rather heap calumny on your own brothers.
Live and let live
Chag Chanukah sameach
If both the men and women in this community want the segregation, then it's nobody else's business. I do hope, however, that non-segregated buses also run along those lines, so people who are offended by segregation don't have to suffer through it.
As for making women "second class" citizens by sitting in the back, why not run a mechitza down the length of the bus, so there are both male and female seats in the front.
Or if that's not possible, can't the men choose to put their section in the back?
Sitting in the back of the bus does not make me a second class citizen. This is all in your mind. Don't you get it?! I prefer to live my life this way.
I think they finally got it right. Since the problem is with the men they are the ones that should be veiled and not the women. As for the segregated buss problem ,no one forces them to take a bus they can take a taxi or bike or walk.
But they don't 'live and let live' they throw rocks at people who they 'in thier ultlimate wisdom' have determined to be wrong. I am tired of being told to respect their standards (even in line at the PO) while they don't respect anyone elses standars.
I have to say it is rather strange, I look at Muslim women and think they are missing so much of what HaShem has made for our pleasure, (the world around us)I have heard they cannot breathe properly in them also. And now, lovers of Torah are blinding their eyes to all the beauty that HaShem has put before us? I think it is calling attention to the fact that the Word isn't penetrating into their heart if they are afraid of looking at another woman, it is not the first glance, it is the second and the third,etc..If you have set your heart to love Adonai, it should not be a problem.
Carrying religious principles to the point of being rediculous.
Nut bars are nut bars whether they be supposedly hareidim or leftists!!! My daughter took my granddaughters shopping in Bnai Brak yesterday and reported back, shock of shocks, that there were men and women walking on the same sidewalks at the same time. There were no screams of outrage, just civilized people going about their everyday lives. These "hareidi" nutbars create chaos for everyone and make the leftist nutbars happy to have a new reason to embarass everyone. Shame on them all!!!
If both the men and the women from the Haredi community honestly want separate seating on the buses, then fine. Let them have it. But they cannot force anyone else to sit separately if they don't want to, nor should they be forcing any of their other stringent beliefs/customs on anyone else.
I don't approve of the way the Haredim live, but I'm not going to try to force them to live the way I do. They should extend the same courtesy to me, at the very least.
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